Macedonia

Debar – Ohrid – Bratin Dol, Macedonia

These Balkan countries are not big. Both Albania and Macedonia are about one-eighth the size of Minnesota. So while it may seem like we are booking along because it feels like we’re in a new country every day, we are, in reality, actually going a little slower than normal. 

It’s just that these countries are so small it sometimes only takes a day or two of biking to pass through them. 

Okay, who else is confused by the relationship between Macedonia, North Macedonia, and Greece? 

First off, Macedonia and Mesopotamia are not the same place. Now, feel free to laugh at me – but I’m guessing I’m not the only one that put them both in the same brain box – with the label: “Ancient civilizations that I don’t know much about . . .”

In Greek, the word “Mesopotamia” means between two rivers. The name comes from the fact that ancient Mesopotamia was focused between the Euphrates and Tibres Rivers, in what is now Iraq. The Mesopotamians started farming about 8,000 BC. Farming basically led to the start of what we now call civilization. You know – Iphones and stuff like that . . .

I guess this was a good thing because now we have dishwashers and cars and televisions. I’ve mentioned the book Sapiens before, and the author’s analysis of this transformation is illuminating. He basically says that before farming people would wander around and live off of the land. According to him, people spent a few hours per day hunting and gathering, and the rest of the time hanging out with friends and family. 

Since farming came along most people spend most of their days “working.” And then, generally, a few people – the landowners – spend their days eating olives and grapes and literally enjoying the fruits of other people’s labor. 

So I guess you can blame the Mesopotamians for messing up our lives. We could have been hanging out playing bocce ball all day – but, instead, most of us slave away most of our lives . . . (Not that Diana and I are complaining at this particular time . . .)

Okay – that’s the Mesopotamians. 

Got it? Founders of farming. Lived in Iraq. Kind of a big deal.

Now the Macedonians. 

As far as I can tell, in the ancient world the Macedonians were basically Greeks who lived a little further north. Alexander the Great was probably the most famous Macedonian. He’s the guy who conquered like half the world. 

Alexander the Great

These Macedonians spoke Greek, acted Greek, and even participated in the Olympiads of old. 

Today, there is a region/state/province called Macedonia in the north of Greece. We’ll be biking through there over the next few days. Thessaloniki – the city that we’ll be taking the ferry from on our way to Turkey – is Macedonian in this sense. From what I gather, the people who live in this part of Greece speak Greek and generally think of themselves as Greeks.

Then there is the country called North Macedonia. From what I understand, the people who live in this country are primarily Slavs – although there are a good number of ethnic Albanians as well – and these modern-day Macedonians are most closely related to Bulgarians – who are also Slavs. We know this, I guess, because the Macedonian language is very similar to Bulgarian. 

Apparently the whole concept of Macedonia as a country first came about in the late-19th century. I guess before that the people who lived here were just part of the greater Slavic peoples of the Balkans. It didn’t really matter at that time – because, between the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the people who lived in what is now North Macedonia were basically always under someone else’s thumb. 

And then, from 1912 to 1991 or so, this area was part of Yugoslavia. Only with the Balkan Wars of the ‘90s did North Macedonia – which was, at the time, known as just Macedonia – come to be. Then, in recent years, after pressure from the Greeks, the modern-day Macedonians (who, again, are really Slavs related most closely to the Bulgarians) agreed to change their name to North Macedonia. 

Got that?

It’s confusing. 

And, really, I don’t have a great feel for Macedonia at this point. The countryside is beautiful. There are bears, and wolves and foxes and venomous snakes.

But the people? For whatever reason I don’t yet have a feel for the people. Maybe because we’ve met Albanians and Bosnians, but not a ton of Macedonians.

Adding to our confusion, when we arrived at our campsite today we encountered a whole big group of Americans – who are here working in modern-day North Macedonia, digging up the remains of ancient Macedonians and Ottomans. Turns out that they are staying in a house here at the campground and each day they go to an archeological site to dig stuff up. Like Raiders of the Lost Ark type work. Only I think they are finding things like shards of pottery – no arcs of the covenant or anything . . .

But it was a good thing that the Americans were around. Because Diana and I messed up a bit today. I guess we got cocky, thinking that we had things pretty well figured out. The website said that the campground had a kitchen, and, indeed, they do. So we thought we would get here, figure out the kitchen situation, and then go to the nearby town to shop for ingredients. 

Except that, as it turns out, the nearby town has no amenities whatsoever. Not even a mini-mart. 

The nearest grocery store? About three or four miles away. Not that far, except that at the end of the day there isn’t a lot of excitement about more biking . . .

This is where Jodi comes into the story. Jodi is, essentially, Indiana Jones’ wife. Her Indy – her husband – is leading the dig here in North Macedonia. Jodi happened to be here on our arrival and she volunteered to drive us to the store. Pretty nice. 

I guess we could have biked there and back. But it’s so deflating to end the day’s ride and then realize that there is another 7 or 8 miles in front of you – and with no food until you get back.

The grocery store was interesting. Basically a big warehouse. No fresh meat, literally like three really old onions, some ancient garlic, a few cucumbers and lemons, and some tomatoes. Which is weird. Because I think they grow a lot of produce around here. Certainly Albania seemed to have some of the best fruits and vegetables of any place we’ve been. 

Anyway, we made it work. Kind of a pasta surprise, with Diana’s cucumber salad on the side.

I should mention Ohrid. It’s both a town and a lake. I guess it’s one of the oldest and biggest lakes in Europe. Very pretty. With an old fortress, and the ruins of a Roman amphitheater where they used to execute Christians with gladiators. 

Definitely a nice town. Good place for swimming. And a nice place to spend our thirtieth anniversary. 

And then a new favorite food. Burek. It’s a filo dough thing, but savory, not sweet. They put meat or cheese or potatoes in the middle and then braid it and, I think, cook it. Makes for a great lunch. 

We bought some today at the local bakery. When the owner of the bakery, Jari (sp?), found out that we were from America he insisted on giving us an extra drink for the road. He is from Bosnia and seems to love Americans. I need to do a little more research into the wars in the ‘90s, and the American and NATO interventions, but my sense is that there is a lot of appreciation for our role in helping put an end to the violence in that time. 

Jari at the bakery

We met Chris, a British guy who is just about to complete a multi-stage bike ride around the world. Current stage: Istanbul to London. He’s heading the opposite way we are, but we had lunch together and shared information on what’s ahead. A few things we learned from Chris: It’s likely to be hot in Turkey, and the ride into Istanbul sounds a little crazy – with like 60-80 miles of highway before reaching the central city. 

Finally, we had a nice chat with Tony, who owns the campground with his wife, Natasha. Tony lived in Australia for 25 years. He worked as a painting contractor and had five children there. Now he has eleven grandchildren as well. All of them live in Australia, except a sixteen-year-old boy, who lives with Tony and Natasha here in Macedonia. I guess the whole family speaks both English and Macedonian. Tony says there are a ton of Macedonians in Australia. Who knew?

Oh, the riding itself? It’s been pretty amazing. Mountains, but nothing too harsh. Beautiful views. Water – lakes and streams. Natural springs along the way.

Tomorrow we enter Greece. Three more days to Thessaloniki – the second largest city in the country. 

Thoughts on Greece? I mean, besides Greek salad and baklava. 


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14 thoughts on “Macedonia

  1. Constance's avatar

    My college senior thesis was on citizenship & identity in modern Greece, and I read approximately one million books about Greece and Greek people in the process. The one that sticks in my mind most clearly is Dinner with Persephone, by Patricia Storace. It was just so FUNNY to me! It really touched on all the culture shock items that I experienced in the course of studying in that country and of course in marriage to a Greek person. (And acquiring Greek in-laws!!) The Collossus of Maroussi by Henry Miller is another good one. IF you have space for books! Otherwise maybe later. I don’t have travel tips for you unless you’re going to Corfu or Syros, which seems unlikely. I do love Athens, in all its noisy, dirty hubub. Admittedly, I find myself often in the minority with that. (I spent a summer studying in the neighborhood of Pangrati.) My best advice for Greece is to keep hold of your sense of humor throughout – things have always felt slightly weird and different to me there, but mostly in a fun/funny way. If you learn a few words of Greek it will likely help you a lot with the people too, which I’m sure you’ve already experienced in other places. Kalo taxidi!!

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      Constance – You are full of surprises! I’ll want to hear more about your thesis on our return. I tried to borrow those books with my kindle and Libby app but apparently Hennepin County Library doesn’t have digital versions of those books… Hope you’re keeping your spirits up in this crazy time…

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  2. Constance's avatar

    Almost forgot to add: even when I first went to Greece in 2003, there were signs (and graffiti) EVERYWHERE addressing the huge pet peeve which is the naming of the country Macedonia. The message was mostly “MACEDONIA IS GREEK!” or similar. The Greeks at that time referred to that country as FYROM – the former yugoslav republic of Macedonia… and even that was generally said with a sneer.

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      That’s pretty funny. Love it. It’s such a big deal down here…

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  3. Unknown's avatar

    Burek is fantastic. There is more ahead of you in Turkey. And also more baklava and baklava-type desserts. So. Much. Phyllo. and nuts and honey. Yummmmm.

    Laura B

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      Maybe the Ottomans brought burek to the Slavs. Will have to look into that. Excited for that and more baklava type stuff!

      Hear it’s cold there. Stay warm.

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  4. mortallyunadulterated122633aa14's avatar
    mortallyunadulterated122633aa14 June 12, 2025 — 12:35 pm

    Don’t know how far south you are going in Greece, but if you make it to the east coast of the Peloponnese, check out Monemvasia-great Medieval town-the old town area is on a hilltop island connected to the mainland via a short bridge with awesome views of the Mediterranean Sea.

    Also, if you do any island hopping and make it to Crete-check out Xania-great little town that the Venetians ruled for a long period, so a lot of the architecture and local culture was influenced by them. There are so many cool islands to check out- I went to Naxos, Paxos, and Santorinin long time ago of course, but all worthwhile.

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      We met a coffee barista who is from a little town on Crete. Sounds like an amazing place. I guess we’ll get to see Chios today because we have about 8 hours between ferries. But otherwise we’re on to Turkey!

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  5. Unknown's avatar

    Not sure which direction you are going to enter Istanbul from. If coming from the west and or north, you can hop on the subway with your loaded bikes, as long as it is out of rush hour period. I took the subway from near the airport to the center of town, and thus avoided lots of traffic. If coming from the south, you can ferry right into the center of town, which is a great way to enter or leave Istanbul

    Tim Lederle (Grand Marais)

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      Thanks Tim. Super helpful. Definitely thinking of going the ferry route…

      Hope we wildfire smoke isn’t too bad around there..

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  6. gboysen's avatar

    Baltic countries!?!? Humm ? Never knew the baltic sea went so far south

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      Good catch. Changed now. It’s like it never happened…

      We were bummed that we missed Sebastian. But he probably didn’t want to hang out with project who are older than his parents anyways…

      How are the bees?

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  7. mysteriouslysparkly8a060a4737's avatar
    mysteriouslysparkly8a060a4737 June 13, 2025 — 3:33 pm

    I biked and camped around the island of Rhodes for 5 days in the late 80’s. I remember it as being gorgeous and the people friendly and authentic. One night we arrived in our little village too late in the day to find a proper place to camp so we found a piece of land between a small restaurant and the ocean. The next morning when we were cleaning off in the sea, a fisherman asked where we camped. We pointed to our tent was and he said, “There? Really? That’s a snake pit.” So that’s my only advice. Check for snake pits before randomly camping. But you seem to be doing just fine without any advice. Or maybe you’ve already slept in snake pits and just don’t know it.

    I can still taste the fresh Greek salads and the roadside stand newly picked watermelons. Enjoy. Your photos are beautiful.

    Rebecca S

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    1. John Munger's avatar

      That’s funny about the snake pit. I hope we haven’t been sleeping near them. I’m not a fan!

      We’ll have to have some roadside watermelon. Haven’t tried that yet.

      Hope you’re surviving all the horrible news lately…

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